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What I'm trying to say is that there are practically no guides that would be approved with this attitude of "make this minor edit or else I say no"

5:29 AM

Go watch my videos. I challenge you to tell me with a straight face that they aren't an excellent creation guide. But I'm sure you can find some minor error in one or two of them and what, now the entire series is unable to be approved?

5:29 AM

Not saying this to you specifically btw, just in general

That's not even the attitude. At worst there have been "hey, I need you to rework this paragraph" Hell, most of the guides probably would have been approved if not for the fact that people keep moving the dates

5:30 AM

and I already reviewed your guide. ;p

So question. Is there a final vote at the end of the two week period?

5:30 AM

Or is it just a tally of how many "approved" posts there are

The latter

I feel like the former might help deal with this issue

5:32 AM

Because by then discussion will have been heard and there will be a chance for someone to change their mind

5:32 AM

Or, again, look past their "not approved pending this edit" post

Well, my personal issue with that is mostly time related for when we get to guides that will be approved quickly. And, your system might be worth considering, if anyone who submitted would actually get through the whole two weeks

Just because an error has not yet been made doesn't mean it can't be avoided

Like, I find it absurd to say there's issues with the system when those who were trying to partake in it, the submitters, all ask the date to be moved. Nobody has even had the chance for final decisions, except Within who did not respond to any of the criticisms except saying singular they is grammatically correct

I'm just a little surprised at the criteria by which guides would be disapproved

5:37 AM

Also is it 4/7 or 5/7 threshold

idk, it says in one of the posts

5:41 AM

5/7

5/7 or 4/7 is a little more than half and that was because the goal is to only approve final, well thought out drafts, not rough ones. Plus, it simply makes sense to me that at least most of everybody should be able to approve the submission. I know there's a chance one or two people won't like it, hence the 5/7 requirement instead of 6/7 or 7/7. And yes, having people critique your stuff can suck and make you a little sad. However, I realized that after dealing with this process, my guide is going to be better. Sure, there were some nitpicks here and there, but I asked for it to be moved because I feel like I need to make some major changes. "Final Decisions" would only apply if the OP made a whole bunch of edits while people were reviewing their guide. A finalized decision would need to be made in that case, and it would only determine if they get moved to the bottom of the list or not. Even then though, eventually their guide will return to the top of the list. (edited)

Nobody thinks minor edits are a requirement for approval

11:25 AM

The issue is when they make no edits at all

11:25 AM

Which has been the case with 3 submissions so far

@GAT I'd prefer discussion and direct feedback to be here as well as the forums. If you ping me here with your comments I can better respond

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7:50 PM

Please also note that the VIDEOS are my guides and do not 100% match transcripts - the visual supporting elements are important and I go off-script a couple times briefly.

@salad Hey Kopase, does your combined video have a transcript? (edited)

8:04 PM

Looking at the google doc folder you linked here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1utyb9ZPluPFxPBlR1uYsZGoqTwJ3kDyS I can't find a transcript for the combined video

8:06 PM

If you don't have a script and the script goes off, there's a small risk I and Ranger will misinterpret things you say in the video. I'm not comfortable with carefully reviewing a video when there isn't a transcript and I can easily mishear things because of my ADHD (edited)

The video has a transcript somewhere on my hard drive. I won't be home for several hours though so I'll let you know when I upload it @Gray

That's fine, thank you!

@Gray @A long kiss goodnight The script for that video has been added to the same folder as the others.

@salad would it be possible for you to add back-up links to the submission, like Mediafire or something

@Felight I'll upload the videos somewhere else this week

I will be unable to respond to most critiques/questions from Friday evening through Sunday. I encourage any discussion you have on the matter to be put out today/tomorrow please.

@salad I reviewed your guide, if you wanna talk about our first impressions of your videos.

1:56 AM

For all the time we've spent modding your server, we never actually watched them before today.

@Cassilda After reading through your very in-depth post I find that I agree with most of your points. Most of it boils down to accuracy of basics and lack of detail, which is intended. These videos are designed for people who might not have the attention span or mind for detail of someone comfortable with sitting down and reading through a longer guide. I do want to explain why I chose symbolism to reference in the personality guide. Symbolism is not the most effective nor the easiest way to personality force, to my knowledge, but it is easy to understand and ultimately can achieve most of the same goals as other potential methods. It is a way for the viewer to itemize and think about the personality they are creating, which is why I included it. Ultimately the symbolism is actually, from a mechanical standpoint, useless. It merely provides an easily understood and common means to an end.

Our experience with newbs actually has suggested that it's easier than other methods we've used, just less likely to stick.

2:04 AM

It's about as easy as it can get to say "this hamburger represents honesty." And that really does work, a little.

2:07 AM

The kinds of personality forcing that we've had strong success with were ones that involved dramatically more effort, like extensive parroting/puppeting, learning how to disguise thoughts as your tulpa (or host)'s thoughts in a way that your tulpa (or host) will interpret and process them as their own, or using honest to god behavioral conditioning on your tupper.

2:09 AM

Overall we approve of your use of symbolism as the best introduction to personality forcing, I think the real critique we were trying to get at was that when we started that video, as the first "detailed" video other than the one about being simple, we expected it to be a detailed account of personality forcing, when instead it was really just the absolute simplest introduction to it, at a high quality level.

2:10 AM

Symbolism is how I would always start an introduction to personality forcing honestly, because it's almost effortlessly easy and does the job about as well as most people want.

2:12 AM

Uhh, I've also been planning a personality forcing guide (I decided to lay off on it after realizing the parroting one was more important) so I kinda spent some time thinking about that.

I think the real critique we were trying to get at was that when we started that video, as the first "detailed" video other than the one about being simple, we expected it to be a detailed account of personality forcing, when instead it was really just the absolute simplest introduction to it, at a high quality level.

Okay, I think I getcha now. Yeah, my line of thought is "these should be sufficient, and if not, human-to-human interactions should help"

2:14 AM

Different people respond to information in different ways, and I've tried here to appeal to a more general audience by keeping things simple.

Makes sense.

2:15 AM

We tend to naturally take an opposite approach of trying to give detailed, nuanced information, although we can dumb down sometimes for an audience.

@Felight I posted a response to your review of my guides. I'd like to discuss things further here, if you wish to discuss my response at all.

2:17 AM

In particular, however, I would like some concrete justification for the guides not being listed as a full creation guide. That's the main issue I have.

2:19 AM

Also, I cannot edit the guide to insert the backup mirror link because it returns an error since there are 6 embedded videos but apparently only one is allowed when editing the post.

2:21 AM

But yeah the intent of the videos is that they do stand on their own as a full creation guide. In fact, the first video alone also has that purpose. So I would like some explanation about the comment but not to be taken on their own, obviously

No guide should be taken on its own

2:32 AM

The format of this guide poses an inability for the GAT to ask for changes/revisions

OK, but is the information contained within either inaccurate or incomplete?

It is bit-sized information, easily digestible but not expansive, so I see it as supplementary material

It's a 3500+ word guide that is spoken aloud rather than read on a forum page.

2:34 AM

That is 14 250-word pages.

Okay (edited)

Multiple topics are explored with enough detail to generate a substantial understanding of the methods and purposes of different steps of the creation process. The videos are not long because they do not need to be. So again, I'd like elaboration on why these six videos of 3500 words are insufficient to be labeled as more than a tip or trick.

@salad consider hosting and promoting your guide elsewhere - if it's good does it really matter where people have to go to read or watch it? If your guide is reasonably well made I would imagine it would get much more exposure by itself on YouTube.

It's just my opinion anyway, not me saying it shouldn't be approved for that reason

2:38 AM

And it's not because of the length

You'll save yourself the rat race with my method

But your approval is for that section and not in general though?

It's because the GAT can't ask for revisions like they could with a text guide

I think I mentioned this like a month ago - how you'd have to make little changes at their whim

@Deleted User tulpa.info remains a well-ranked and visible source of tulpa information for those new to the concept and conducting individual research.

It is a guide, there is no question about it

It wasn't me saying that it can't go into guides by any stretch, if the GAT agrees it belongs there then it goes there. It's just my personal opinion

It's because the GAT can't ask for revisions like they could with a text guide And this would be valid justification for disapproval if the information contained within the videos were incomplete or inaccurate, but I don't feel that format alone is grounds for disqualification

2:40 AM

OK. I guess that's my main concern answered then, thanks

The format is what created that inability (edited)

I did type up a more detailed response on the forums if you'd like to discuss any other aspects of that (edited)

2:42 AM

And also @Felight please see if you can figure out the deal with me being unable to edit the main post. Otherwise I'll just add the backup mirror link to the drive folder containing text scripts for the vids.

@salad If you have you heart set on putting your guide on .info then you've already accomplished what you sought - nobody actually thinks the approved guides are innately good and the unapproved guides are innately bad. If anything not having your guide approved is generating more exposure as "hurr durr it's a video, what are we gonna do" type of shit unfolds...

Might want to ask Pleeb, Vos, or Goopi about it, because I don't think we can edit the post either (edited)

Just my two cents. I wouldn't run the rat race to get it approved....

@Deleted User It's all about exposure and visibility. Approved guides will get by far more exposure than others.

2:44 AM

And, frankly, most of the current lineup of approved guides are... unsatisfactory

Well I'm glad you still have faith that people read (or watch guides) to any real end

2:44 AM

Almost every day somebody joins Discord and asks "parrotnoia? wonderland? help I can't visualize"

Anyone got the link to the current order of guides to be reviewed?

2:45 AM

@Deleted User People join my Discord after watching my videos and do that

2:45 AM

Sometimes they just didn't pay attention

2:45 AM

Sometimes they're genuinely a bit dumb

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-guide-review-list

Guide Review List

The Guide Approval Team is going to review submitted guides one-by-one in chronological order, given the author of the guide is active/available. If not, their guide goes back to the bottom of the lis

Felight 5/8/2019 2:45 AM

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That's what I'm trying to tell you - you're fucked six ways from Sunday in any case. Nobody is going to care if it's approved or not. If someone is serious about making a tulpa, they'll read (or watch) every guide.

But most of the time they just want clarification, and no matter how detailed you write content, it cannot replace human-to-human questions and interactions

2:47 AM

@Felight Is your guide in that list??

2:48 AM

We desperately need some good modern written guides to replace the old...

Says who? You?

My guide was approved a year ago

The problem with "new guides" is that there's scarcely anything new about them (edited)

2:49 AM

Similar to Discord and formerly IRC, most of the conversation is regurgitation

2:50 AM

If someone just reads the forums and watches the chat long enough, they'll not really need a guide to make a tulpa. But if they were serious they'd read every guide. I think that would take about a month, reading two hours a day, for a slow reader.

2:51 AM

A month isn't an unreasonable amount of time to research something life-changing before trying it, I'd say

You don't need to read every guide since a lot of them don't have to do with tulpa creation

My point is that it would be easy

Still waiting for a decent switching guide